Wednesday, 15 March 2017

Did God really say?

There have been reminders in my life lately, particularly when I have been reading the Word, about who and what I should keep my mind focused on.  Should it be what is spoken to me through my carnal mind or what is spoken to me through the mind of Christ?
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One of these reminders was when I opened my Bible to the page where, in Matthew ch. 16 vs. 21 - 23. It reads :-

'From that time on Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests, and scribes, and that He must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.  Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him 'Far be it from You, Lord! he said.  'This shall never happen to You !'.  But Jesus turned and said to Peter, 'Get behind Me, Satan!  You are a stumbling block to Me.  For you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.'....

Although Peter was a disciple of Jesus his thoughts were coming from the carnal mind and not wanting Jesus to go through the suffering He had to face as the sacrificial lamb.  Jesus had to be sacrificed in order for mankind to be reconciled back to God.
Sometimes, as born again believers,  we can see things the same way.  We can listen to what the carnal mind is telling us, without realizing that those thoughts can be coming from the spiritual enemy, because it appears to be better for the flesh at the time. 

Yet if we take every thought captive and bring it into obedience to Christ (that Word spoken to us through the enlightening of the Holy Spirit) then the outcome can only be good, as Jeremiah ch. 29 v. 11 says, regarding God's thoughts for us:-
'For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope

 A few days ago my husband called me from the outhouse in the back garden.  I went out and he showed me a plastic bag with daffodil bulbs inside, they had been in the outhouse throughout the Winter.  The bulbs, although they were inside a bag in semi darkness with no soil,  had grown and flowered in the bag

I was amazed at what I saw and immediately took them outside and planted them in the garden. I thought about how  the bulbs were able to flourish in a dark corner of the outhouse.

So too with us, Jesus has been made the sacrificial lamb.  He was crucified as a 'payment' for our sins so that we can be born again as a new creation born of God's Spirit. 

Once we believe in Him and begin to have that Word firmly implanted in our minds then we are able to flourish even though we may go through many  trials and be in dark places.

Romans ch. 5 vs. 3 - 5 states:-
'More than that, we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.'

As I watched the daffodils grow daily once planted outside, being watered through the rain, I saw how they grew stronger and matured.  I could see a similarity with how we grow stronger and mature, once planted in the body of Christ - the church) through the water of the Word daily highlighted to us by the Holy Spirit.

However, just as the serpent said to Eve 'Did God really say?', the deceiver can cause we who are the church, the 'bride of Christ', to question the Word of God spoken to us, as Paul the apostle mentioned in 2 Corinthians ch. 11 v. 3:-
'But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ'
One of the reasons we can come to question God's Word can be the fear of what might happen in the future if we act on that Word.  Yet when Peter was walking on the water because Jesus had called him to do so, the fear only came when he took his eyes off the Lord and saw the strength of the wind:-
'Lord, if it is You,' Peter replied, 'command me to come to You on the water.' 'Come', said Jesus.  Then Peter got down out of the boat, walked on the water, and came toward Jesus.   But when he saw the strength of the wind, he was afraid, and beginning to sink, cried out, 'Lord, save me!'…
Matthew ch. 14 vs. 28 - 30
 We too can fear when we look at the circumstance we are in instead of keeping our eyes on the Word of God that has been spoken to us within that circumstance.   It is then, when the enemy puts into our carnal minds the words 'Did God really say?', that we must respond:-
'Yes, God did say!'
Psalm ch. 12 v. 6 says:- 'The promises of the Lord are promises that are pure, silver refined in a furnace on the ground, purified seven times.'


Karen said...

This is a very thoughtful post. I see a parallel to today where some skip over the passages where Jesus talks about judgment and shaking. Yet all His plans are true and just.

Karen said...

Brenda, Don't post this comment. Just wanted to say that I can't see the words in blue on the black background. Maybe it's just me. Bless you for this great post.

Brenda said...

Hi Karen,
thank you for your comment. Yes, that is right - we have to live by every word that comes from the mouth of God. That is 'working out our salvation' eh? It can only lead to good for us.
God bless you Karen.

Brenda said...

just to say - all comments come up on my posts, but do not worry. I was actually thinking that it may be a little difficult to see the scriptures that I always put in blue. I will change it to a much lighter blue.
God bless you, and thank you for mentioning.

child of God said...

Good post Brenda, thank you!
I believe we are living in a time where there is a great confusion over the church and God's children. There is a spirit of deception that is causing us to question exactly what God has said. Then there is the fear Satan places in us when we do act on God's word and it can come by attack even from brothers and sisters in Christ. We need to pray against this deception and obey God's word knowing that trials and tribulations come to all of God's children. If we aren't under attack then we have to question if we are really following God.

Ceil said...

Hi Brenda! I LOVE this story about the daffodil bulbs. What a wonder to see them flourish, even in the dark? Such a great lesson for all of us, although we are in the dark, Jesus can bring us growth anyway.
I also liked your idea of bringing all ideas captive and comparing them to the life and love of God. What is filled with error just won't be able to stand in that light!

Laurie Collett said...

Dear Brenda,
What a lovely post and encouraging reminder to trust in God's Word alone, and not man's or Satan's misinterpretation of it. May we always hear His still, small voice reaffirming the truth of what is written in His Word.
God bless you,

Brenda said...

Hi coG,
I do agree that, just as the enemy caused Eve - and then Adam - to question God's Word, then so he can do with us. Jesus warned about being deceived in the end times. There is a scripture that says:- 'For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand.' (Matthew 24:24-25,) We must always be on our guard.
God bless.

Brenda said...

Hi Ceil,
I know this sounds silly, but I have always loved plants and creatures as if they were little babies , and it was as if I could not wait to get them in the ground and in the light. It reminds me of how God loves us (although there is no comparison to His love and mine), and how He wants us to be brought out of the dark iton His light. Trials can really strengthen us and encourage us to trust that Word more.
God bless you Ceil.

Brenda said...

Hi Laurie,
thank you for your encouragement. Yes, may we always trust in God's Word to us and hear His still, small voice. The deceiver is rife because he knows his time is short.
God bless you too Laurie.

No Doubt said...

Hi Brenda, Good Post! I agree. We can grow, in this darkness, as long as we exist in the right conditions, in his Word. A daily washing, in his Word, keeps us from being mislead by the tempter's #1 tried and proven method to lead us astray, "Did God Really Say That?" Yes, he did. What me to show it to you? When the Messiah did that, Satan ran the other way.

By the way, thanks again for your prayers, concerning my gallbladder surgery. Sorry for being absent. As soon as I recovered from the surgery, I was down with a bad case of the flu. YUCH!!! :-) LOL

Debbie Harris said...

Excellent post, Brenda, filled with tremendous truth found in God's Word.
That is amazing about your daffodils growing in the darkness and in a bag no less. You will enjoy watching them grow and a great analogy by the way.
I wanted to thank you for all your beautiful comments you have left on my posts, you have blessed my heart, dear lady. Your visits are always a joy.

Bless you♡

Brenda said...

Hi Keith,
lovely to see you back. I love how you have worded your comment concerning the enemy. The battle is always the Word of God against what the deceiver says and does - and there is only One winner if we believe. I love the way that, when the enemy was allowed to attack Job, Job overcame him by seeking, learning from, and understanding what God said:-
'As for me, I know that my Redeemer lives, and at the last He will take His stand on the earth. 'Even after my skin is destroyed, yet from my flesh I shall see God;…' Job ch. 19 vs. 25, 26.
God bless you Keith

Brenda said...

Hi Debbie,
thank you for your kind comment - all glory to our beautiful Father God and His Son.
I have to say that I have been so busy lately that I have not been able to visit other bloggers as much as I would like to. I love interacting with people, and will spend a good time reading them over the weekend.
God bless you Debbie.

Kelleyn Rothaermel said...

I believe God can speak to each of us through the Holy Ghost, but God will never instruct us to do something against his laws. I pray daily to know his will! It often comes as a small still voice. Not often but sometimes it has been a louder voice that will tell me no to do something, but you are right when you are reading your scriptures you are more intuned to the spirit. Have a lovely weekend!

Paul G said...

Hi Brenda,
"Did God really say ?"
I think that is a sobering question for everyone of us.

Did God really say that He is three persons in one God, a trinity ?
Even though God did NOT say that, and yet millions of Christians believe that.

Did God really say that His Name is Jehovah or Yahweh ?
Nowhere in God's Word is it written that His Name is Jehovah or Yahweh, but most Christians and every Christian cult believes that which God did NOT say.

I think that only the children of darkness are growing in darkness, but the children of the true God are the children of light and they cannot grow in darkness but only in the light.
Jesus Christ is the light of this world and everyone who is in Him walks in the light as He is in the light, and they believe in Him alone.

No Doubt said...

Paul, Yahweh placed His name in the scriptures nearly 7,000 times. And 7,000 times bible translators substituted it with a generic title such as "LORD" or "GOD." In fact, "Yahweh" is the 7th most commonly used word in the scriptures.

There is no real justification for this tradition, for the scriptures tell us that we are not to add to or take away from His word.

Pro 30:4-6 - Who has ascended into heaven, or descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name, and what is His Son's name, If you know?
5 Every word of Elohim is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
6 Do not add to His words, Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

That, my friend, is pretty straightforward and scriptural. Yahweh, Yah Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh is God's name and Y'shua, which means Yah Saves, is his son's name. Again, inescapable and scriptural.

Paul G said...

Well brother Keith, "Did God really say that ?"
Absolutely NOT !
Yahweh is not even mentioned once, and neither is Jehovah or Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh, NO Keith, it's just NOT there, you have made up those names because you don't want to believe that there is NO OTHER Name given under heaven and on earth than 'JESUS' who is the Christ.

God's Word is the Bible and any other book is NOT God's Word, and if a text from the Bible is found in another book, then only that text would be the Word of God.
But why read the other book ? Why not just read the Bible ? Isn't the Bible good enough for you ?

Proverbs 30:4, The Lord Jesus Christ is testing you, "Who has established all the ends of the earth ? What is His name or His sons name ? Surely you would know !"
It seems to me that you still don't know.

You don't even believe that JESUS created ALL things and nothing came into being apart from Him (JESUS), (John 1:3 – 10 and Col. 1:15 – 20).
You don't even believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is GOD with us (Mat. 1:23).
Tell me, how then could you believe that God's Name is JESUS ?

Did God really say that ?

Brenda said...

Hi Kelleyn,
nice to meet you.
I have always seen the Bible as a vocabulary, not a book. God has an amazing plan of calling us to His Son Jesus, through Whom we have access back to God when we believe. He wants all to be saved, and knows exactly how to do that. The main thing is that we endeavour to act on what He speaks to us. He is a compassionate God and understands that we are flesh.
God bless you Kelleyn.

Brenda said...

Hi Paul,
No, there is no wording in the Bible that says God is three 'persons', and there is no word 'trinity' in the Bible.
However, God is Spirit and we are told that those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth - God is not flesh, but He can enter into the flesh as He does when we are born of the Spirit, as He did with Jesus - Who was born of the Spirit. Then we become children of God.

John ch. 14 v.10 states that Jesus said the Father was living in Him:-
'Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? What I’m telling you doesn’t come from me. The Father, who lives in me, does what he wants.'
Romans ch. 8 v. 29 states that Jesus was the first born among many brethren.

What it does say in the Bible regarding what you are asking, and the word 'three' is all contained within 1 John ch. 5 vs. 1-12:-

'Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome. For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. Who is it that overcomes the world except the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not by the water only but by the water and the blood. And the Spirit is the one who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree. If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater, for this is the testimony of God that He has borne concerning his Son. Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning His Son. And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.'

Regarding the names of God, there are many names referring to God written in the old testament, such as El-Shaddai, Adonai, and they refer to what He does and Who He is - as do all Hebrew names.

Regarding 'children of darkness', we are all children of darkness, being descendants of the first Adam, until we believe in Jesus, the last Adam, (Whom God has made our Lord)Acts ch. 2 v. 36.
Then as we each work out our own salvation we grow and mature in Christ, being led into all truth by the teaching of the Holy Spirit - Whom Jesus said the Father would send.
'If you love me, you will obey my commandments. I will ask the Father, and he will give you another helper who will be with you forever. 1 That helper is the Spirit of Truth. The world cannot accept him, because it doesn’t see or know him. You know him, because he lives with you and will be in you' John ch. 14 vs. 15-17.

Paul G said...

Brenda, the Scriptures that you are quoting are true, but what you are saying is not true.
You see, you are transgressing the first commandment of the Lord. What is it?
Genesis 2:17 "You shall NOT !"
Note, that command came to Adam and not to Eve, and remember it was Eve who was deceived and fell into transgression (1 Tim. 2:14). Adam was not and could no be deceived because he was created in the image of God, and the likeness of God can NOT be deceived.

So let's look at the first and second commandment of the Lord (Exodus 20:2 – 5), note, God said, "I am the LORD !" tell me, which LORD is speaking if there is only ONE LORD who is God ?

Well Brenda, if you know the Scriptures and the Lord, then your knees ought to bow and your tongue ought to confess that JESUS Christ is LORD, meaning, that Jesus Christ is the LORD God the Almighty, the creator of heaven and earth and everything in it.
And NO ! It's not Yahweh or Jehovah or Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh, it simply is Jesus of Nazareth who is the Christ.

Verse 3, "You shall have NO OTHER gods before ME."
Verse 5, "You shall NOT WORSHIP them; or serve them."
Now, did God really say that you shall worship NO OTHER ?

Please read the Word of God (Matthew 28:9), 'And they took hold of His feet and worshiped the LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
'Did God really say, that you shall worship NO OTHER ?'
Please think.

Paul G said...

Did God really say that you shall worship a god called Yahweh or Jehovah or whatever ?
All of us worship the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth in Spirit and in truth just as it is written.

No Doubt said...

Paul, you denying that Jesus came as a man, in the flesh, shows the root of your doctrine. 1 John 4:1-2 and 2 John 1:7 reveals the true nature of your doctrine. Please allow God's Spirit to lead you into all truth. Time is running out. Soon, we will be gathered unto Yahweh.

Dear friends, do not believe everyone who claims to speak by the Spirit. You must test them to see if the spirit they have comes from God. For there are many false prophets in the world. This is how we know if they have the Spirit of God: If a person claiming to be a propheta acknowledges that Jesus Christ came in a real body, that person has the Spirit of God. 3But if someone claims to be a prophet and does not acknowledge the truth about Jesus, that person is not from God.

I say this because many deceivers have gone out into the world. They deny that Jesus Christ came in a real body. Such a person is a deceiver and an antichrist

Brenda said...

when Paul the apostle is referring to Eve being deceived he is likening her(the 'wife' of the first Adam) to the church (the bride of the last Adam)
It is a warning that we too can be deceived and question God's Word spoken to us.

Although Adam did not get tempted by the serpent to go against what God said, he still went against what God said.
Genesis ch. 3 vs. 17-19 state:-
'To Adam he said, 'Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’
'Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life. It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field.
By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since fro' it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return.'

Jesus did not go against what God told Him to do by being tempted by Satan, as shown when He did not try to save Himself from being killed when Satan caused Peter to suggest it to Him.

Regarding God and Jesus, I have already stated in my last comment to you that the scriptures say that it is God Who made Jesus our Lord. The following are just a few scriptures that refer to God and Jesus, and how Jesus is the mediator between man and God. I have highlighted several words in capitals just to emphasize the fact that Jesus was sent as a 'mediator'.

1 Corinthians ch. 8 v.6 states:-
'yet for us there is but one God, the Father, FROM whom all things came and FOR whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, THROUGH whom all things came and THROUGH whom we live.'

John ch. 14 vs. 16-17 state:-

'And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.'

2 Corinthians 1 vs. 21-22 state:-

'Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come'

In John ch. 14 v. 10 Jesus says to Thomas:-
'Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, LIVING IN ME, who is doing HIS work.'

Paul G said...

Well Brenda, I don't know where to start, you are not a little bit deceived, you are quite deceived.
I'm glad that you are saying those things so everyone who believes in the Lord Jesus Christ can see it for themselves.

Brenda, a long time ago I have said to you that, because you don't believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, therefore every doctrine that you believe is distorted and mostly not true.

I think that you need to start again from the beginning, and the most important doctrine is the doctrine of God.
If you don't get that doctrine right, then you WILL fail on ALL other doctrines and your religion will profit you nothing, or not much.

You said,
"Jesus did not go against what God told Him to do by being tempted by Satan, as shown when He did not try to save Himself from being killed when Satan caused Peter to suggest it to Him.

Regarding God and Jesus, I have already stated in my last comment to you that the scriptures say that it is God Who made Jesus our Lord. The following are just a few scriptures that refer to God and Jesus, and how Jesus is the mediator between man and God. I have highlighted several words in capitals just to emphasize the fact that Jesus was sent as a 'mediator'."

Can you see Brenda ?
You DO NOT believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and you WILL NOT believe in Him.
It seems to me that Satan has put a veil over your eyes.

You think that there is a god called Yahweh (which is not found in the Bible), and he is telling the Lord Jesus Christ what to do is the greatest deception.

I can see that Satan is blinding you, and every time the Lord Jesus is calling you to Himself, Satan places a metaphor before you and he says, don't believe in Jesus but believe in what it is written (the metaphor).

Soon or later you need stop and evaluate your stand.
You cannot believe in the Lord Jesus Christ AND in another, just as much as you cannot serve two masters.
Look Brenda, the call of the Lord Jesus is simple; BELIEVE in the Lord Jesus Christ and in NO OTHER and you shall be saved, believe NOT and you shall be damned.

It's not complicated, you don't need to have a comprehensive understanding of the Scriptures, but you need to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth and forsake ALL OTHER (all other gods).

I think it's time for you to make that decision in a public confession ?
The time is now, to day is the day, do not harden your heart.

Remember, it is the Lord Jesus Christ who ought to be your heavenly bridegroom and He requires a public confession.

He ought to be your LORD and your GOD and your saviour and the lover of your soul and your bridegroom and the first and the last and beside Him you should have NO OTHER !

Brenda said...

it appears it is the written Word you do not believe in, as you do not believe what the scriptures say, as in God making Jesus both Lord and Christ.
It comes to mind about being aware of the 'leaven' of the Pharisees Paul. Leaven is something added to bread. We need only the unleavened 'bread' from Heaven, the Word of God, to teach us and we can only encourage one another through sharing our testimonies regarding this.
We can not teach one another, as we all have to work out our own salvation as we are taught by the Holy Spirit leading us into all truth
As for scriptures regarding Jesus and God being 'metaphors', in the following verses Where Jesus is speaking about Himself and God His disciples say that He is speaking PLAINLY.

John ch. 16 vs.26-32 state:-

'At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.'
His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb. Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God. Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe? Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.'

Paul G said...

Brenda, it is as I have said before that you do NOT believe the written Word of God, what you believe is the metaphor of that which is written, and that is without understanding.

Yes Brenda, we are sharing testimonies, but at this time there are weightier things to talk about than testimonies.
It is the GOSPEL of Jesus Christ which He has commissioned me to present to you and to everyone who reads those comments.
Therefore listen and take heed lest you have run in vain.

You said, "John ch. 16 vs.26-32 state:-
'At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.'"

Brenda, that day has NOT yet happened to you, otherwise you would ask Jesus.
But you still ask an unknowable god called Yahweh in Jesus Name, and then you also pray to this unknowable god called Yahweh THROUGH Jesus, and at the end of the prayer you bung on the phrase 'in Jesus Name'.
Brenda, ALL the pagans and unbelievers do that. Do NOT be like them ! but rather separate yourself from them and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Can you see, in the first section Jesus is speaking plainly to those who believe in Him, and to all those who don't believe in Him He speaks figurative (metaphoric), and to them He is still speaking figurative till this very day. They do not understand and neither can they, that is because it has NOT been given to them.

Many times I have interpreted the metaphor in that passage, but it seems to me that you can't hear.
For that reason you first need to decide whether you are going to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ ALONE or in another.
You can't believe in TWO masters Brenda.

Remember, (1 Kings 18:21) 'If the LORD Jesus Christ is God, follow Him, if Baal is God, follow him'.
It depends on a public decision on your behalf, knowledge and understanding of the Scriptures comes after. It is the Lord Jesus Christ who will lead you into all the truth, but if you refuse to believe in Him, you will be left in darkness.

Brenda said...

it is only as the scriptures say. Jesus said His Words are Spirit and life, and the reason He said that was that the Spirit of God was speaking through His voice.
All who are born of that Spirit are children of God, and Jesus was the first born of many brethren, the One Whom God made Lord.

Sandi said...

I love how the daffodils bloom. Who would have thought?

Can we believe Him? Yeah. Just look around.

Brenda said...

Hi Sandi,
I have to say that I was amazed at what happened with those daffodils, but on looking back on my life nothing surprises me what the Lord can encourage me with at specific times, and I believe this was partially to encourage me to trust in Him and to what He is able to do - the unbelievable to the carnal mind.

No Doubt said...

Paul, As Brenda stated, the scriptures plainly state that there is a difference between the Father and the Son. In my blog, You said. "apart from the Father is NO other God, and that God who is the Father appeared in a body" 1 Tim. 3:16)"

The scriptures agree that there is no god, other than God, our Father. However, it is you that believe in more than the Father. You constantly make Y'shua, Jesus into the Father, when in reality, it is the Spirit of the Father, that dwells within Y'shua.

As for 1 Tim 3:16, it doesn't say that God manifested, in the flesh. Read it again.

"And this Mystery of Righteousness is truly great, which was revealed in the flesh, justified by the Spirit; made known to messengers and preached among the Gentiles; trusted by the world; received as Godliness."

It doesn't say anything about God appearing in the flesh.

However, I should note that it does say that the Word of God was fulfilled in a man, in John 1:14. The Word of God dwelled within Y'shua, by the Spirit of the Father. This one man was, as John 1:14 clearly and plainly states, monogen─ôs, which means the only one of his kind. That's what the scriptures say. For this reason and his obedience, unto the sacrificial altar of God, Y'shua received the Glory due him. God doesn't need to receive Glory. All Glory already is his.

Getting back to 1 Tim 3:16, it is clearly talking about the Mystery of Righteousness. The Mystery, being salvation through a righteous man, the only man of his kind, was justified(made righteous), by the indwelling of God's Spirit. This Mystery (salvation through this righteous man) was given to the remnant (his messengers) to preach among the gentiles. When those, who would trust in this Mystery (salvation), received the gift of godliness, in the form of the Spirit of God.

Did you know that there are only a handful of English Translations of the scriptures, including your erroneous King James, that continues to read the way you are reading it? That's because the translators recognize the earlier scriptures, while the King James continue to hold on to the idolatrous interpretation. There's where your erroneous doctrine comes from.

If you read the Bible as a whole, you find that there is only one God, Yah, and only one Son, the only one of his kind, Y'shua, which means Yah Saves, one of the fulfillments of Isaiah 9:6.

Brenda said...

Hi Keith,
I love the way the scriptures join together as in God making Jesus our Lord (to be a mediator), and where David says 'The LORD said to my Lord'.(Psalm 110). It clearly talks about two.

No Doubt said...

Hey Brenda. Sometimes, it actually startles me, when you see the deception, so wide spread, and the deceiver so active. If the second coming isn't just around the corner, we are in for a rough ride.

Brenda said...

The deceiver is very active Keith, he knows his time is short. Revelation 12 v.12 states:-
'Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.'

That is why we must not fall away, as stated in 1 Timothy vh. 4 v.1:-
'The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.'

As Jesus said, we too say 'It is written'.

Paul G said...

Yes Brenda, what you have said is true, even the metaphor at the end.
But don't think that another entity made Jesus LORD; that is only metaphoric language for those who don't believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Jesus is the LORD, means that He is GOD from before He created the heavens and the earth and He was LORD God at His birth. Lord means God, 'Lord' is just another word for God.

Brenda, where was God when Jesus was in the manger ?
If you know the Scriptures, then you need to agree that God was in Jesus Christ reconciling the world to Himself.
You see Brenda, you need to abandon your other god whom you call the Father Yahweh.

Please grant me an analogy;
The spiritual is parallel to the natural.

In the natural, if you are married to your husband and you have also a relationship with your husband's father, then you are considered to be unfaithful and a harlot in the eyes of your husband, regardless of what you believe.

Now the same is in the spiritual.
If you are married to the Lord Jesus Christ and you have also a relationship with another whom you call Father, then you are considered unfaithful to your heavenly bridegroom and He will call you a harlot just as He has said in Revelation 17 and 18.

The harlot church is the church who believes in, and has relationships with many god-persons (the trinity) etc. and is unfaithful to the Lord Jesus Christ who is the only God forever praised (Rom. 9:5).
'For I am jealous over you with a godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to ONE husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ Jesus our only Lord and God (2 Cor. 11:2).'

Therefore the Lord Jesus Christ is calling you OUT of that harlot belief system, saying, "come you OUT of her, my people, so that you will not participate in her sins and receive of her plagues; ......" (Rev. 18:4).
So then, are you willing to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and in NO OTHER?

Paul G said...

Oops, nearly forget, 1 Tim. 4:1, Falling away from whom ? From Yahweh ?
Certainly not !

1 Tim. 4:1 is falling away from the Lord Jesus Christ to other gods like Jehovah, Yahweh, Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh etc.

Paul G said...

No Keith, you have a total confusion in your explanation.

My position is very clear.
Yes the Lord Jesus Christ IS the Father just as He has said in John 14:9 and in John 10:30 and in Isaiah 9:6 etc.
If the Lord Jesus Christ would not be the Father, then He would be a liar and I would have been deceived.
If the Lord Jesus Christ is not the Father, then ALL those who worship the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth (Matthew 28:9) would also be deceived and transgress the Commandant of God.

But as it is, you worship a god you do NOT know, just as the Lord Jesus has said in Mark 7:7 - 8 "In vain do they worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Neglecting the Commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men."

Can you see, you worship a god you do not know, a god called Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh, while neglecting to worship the true God Jesus Christ (Mat, 28:9).
Keith, you might not worship the true God (1 John 5:20), but all the wise men worshiped Jesus (Mat. 2:11), and the Apostles (Mat 4:33) etc. but you rather hold to the tradition of men and ignore the Scriptures.

Brenda said...

God is Spirit Paul,
and can be omnipresent. If Jesus is the first of many brethren, a Son of God, then all of us can be children of God (being born of God's Spirit) and have the same Father.

Regarding the word Lord, Paul, I think you have disregarded what the scriptures say - as referred to in my previous comment to Keith.
'I love the way the scriptures join together as in God making Jesus our Lord (to be a mediator), and where David says 'The LORD said to my Lord'.(Psalm 110). It clearly talks about two'

Laurie Collett said...

Dear Brenda,
Reading through the comments it appears there is much spiritual warfare going on. Increased activity by Satan and his false prophets is surely a sign of the End Times. May we put on the whole armor of God and be prepared to stand fast for His truth. Come quickly, Lord Jesus!
Love and prayers,

Brenda said...

Hi Laurie,
Amen and Amen to putting on the whole armour of God and be prepared to stand fast for His truth. Come quickly Lord Jesus - indeed.
We are definitely in the end times and Satan is trying to deceive, but we hold fast to the truth eh?
Love and prayers to you too Laurie.

Ken said...

Hi Brenda. Great analogy with the daffodils. Blessings

Brenda said...

Hi Ken,
lovely to hear from you. I am always amazed how God speaks to us, and I believe absolutely that nothing is impossible with Him.

No Doubt said...

Paul, you say that your position is quite clear and you state verses to boister your claim. However, when you go to the verses, they don't say what you are saying. In John 14:9, it does say that Jesus is the father. It says that when you look at Jesus, you see the father. Hebrews 1:3 clarifies that this means Jesus is the reflection of the Father. It clearly doesn't say he is the Father. In John 10:30, it say sthey are one. It does say they are in the same. To say that, you have to ignore not only the previous verse, but many other that show that Y'shua and the Father are separate entities, but same in Spirit.

As for worshipping, each time the New Testament uses the word "worship", it was the Greek word, "proskyne┼Ź", which means to pay homage to men and beings of superior rank, not necessarily worshipping God. Look at Matthew 18:26. Is Jesus advocating that it is ok to worship kings and lords as God. In your scenario, the answer is yes. But, it isn't so. Look at the scriptures, as a whole and you begin the see your belief and doctrine fall apart.

Brenda said...

There are always scriptures to back up scripture regarding this issue, bringing all truth together like a jigsaw puzzle.
One of them is where Jesus gives an answer to a ruler's question in Luke ch. 18 vs. 18, 19:-'
'Then a certain ruler asked Him, 'Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?' 'Why do you call Me good? Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone.'

Jesus is so obviously stating that He is not God, Who alone is 'good'.

It is the Spirit, which is God, that is good. This is the Spirit that we have to be born of, as was Jesus - through Whom we have been granted access to that God.

'For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,' ! Timothy ch. 2 v. 5.

Paul G said...

Keith, there has to be something wrong with every human being who says that TWO are ONE. Or even think that TWO could be ONE.

It amazes me that someone like you would say such nonsense and even entertain such folly.

No Doubt said...

Paul, once again, you deliberately misrepresent what I have written, in the same way, you misrepresent the scriptures.

Brenda said...

Paul has done the same with what I have written Keith. It does not really surprise me though because he does the same with the scriptures and what Jesus (Y'shua) says.

No Doubt said...

You've got to admit, he is consistent. :-) LOL With the said, he is a great example of the title of your post. Not only "Did God really say?", you can expand it to, "Did Brenda really say?" or "Did Paul really say? "Did Keith really say?".

It is one thing to individually interpret the scriptures, it a totally different thing to interpret inconsistently. Unfortunately, Paul incorrectly interprets one thing in the B'rit Hadashah, NT, then tries to draw a correlation with something in the Tanakh, OT, but changes things around, quite often.

Paul G said...

Keith, well thank you my friend for what you have said to Brenda :-)

Since you claim to interpret the Scriptures accurately, then tell me; when the Lord Jesus said, that He and the Father are ONE, did Jesus really meant TWO ?

Brenda said...

I have to admit it did make me smile regarding the 'Did ..... really say.'
Concerning two being one Paul, it is not the only scripture that makes this reference. Genesis ch. 2 v.24 states:-
'This is why a man leaves his father and mother and bonds with his wife, and they become one flesh.'

Mark ch. 10 v. 8 states:-
'and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh.'

The 'two being one' speaks of bonding and unity Paul, and that is what Jesus is with God - He is in unity. When we are born of the Holy Spirit, we too are one with Jesus and God.

In John ch. 17 vs. 20-22 Jesus says:-
'I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me through their message, that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one—…'

Paul G said...

No Brenda, TWO cannot be ONE.
Why is that so difficult for you to understand and accept ?
Two are always TWO.
You and you husband are ALWAYS TWO, never ONE.
Two flesh are TWO flesh, they might become one flesh but only for a moment, not unless they are Siamese twins.

If you are one in union with ten person, then you are TEN persons who are in union.
But the Lord Jesus said, "I and the Father are ONE", meaning that Jesus IS the Father.
Jesus is the Lord God, and 'Father' is His title, just like 'Son' is also His title (because of His incarnation).
That's why Jesus is called the Lord God the Father of all creation.

Trinitarians in their deception think that each title is a separate person, and for that reason they are called polytheists.