Wednesday, 3 August 2016

Old things are past, new comes

I have always believed that there is far more to the Bible than meets the eye, and have noticed links everywhere.  One thing that has been in my mind for many years has been where it says, at the end of verse 26 of Genesis ch.4:-  'Then men began to call upon the name of the LORD' 
 
The next verse, verse 1 in chapter 5 of Genesis reads:- 'This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day when God created man, He made him in the likeness of God.'
Yet there is no mention of the fall in this version of man being created, and the first child of Adam mentioned here is Seth.   There is no mention of Cain or Abel.

I am reminded of the two Adams spoken of, the first being 'a living being' and the second being 'a life giving spirit.'  in 1 Corinthians ch. 15 vs. 45 - 49 :-
'Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.  But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual.  The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven.  As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven.  Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven.'

In Hebrew the meaning of the name Seth is:-   'Anointed; compensation', and I believe that Seth is symbolic of born again believers.

The word 'compensation' means:- something awarded to someone in recognition of loss, and this is exactly what was done for mankind through Jesus' sacrifice.  When we become believers in Him we are 'anointed' of the Holy Spirit and receive the award of eternal life as compensation for our loss gained through sin. It is a free gift, we do not earn it through any righteousness of our own.  I have been singing a song for days now that I wrote years ago, which reminds me of this fact.
 
If ever I'm feeling righteous, and think I can't be wrong
I pick up my guitar Lord and sing this little song
I tell myself another time there'd be no good thing in me
if it wasn't for my Saviour, that man from Galilee
If ever I feel forsaken, when my friends have all turned their back
and I'm thinking is it worth it to walk this lonely track
I think about a garden, it's called Gethsemane
It's where my Saviour cried and sweat great drops of blood for me
And if I feel like glorying in something I have done
I turn my eyes to Calvary and look at God's own Son
I see the pain and anguish upon that lovely face
and I see His broken body as He hangs there in my place
Yes I see Your broken body Lord, as You hang there in my place
 
  
2 Corinthians ch. 5 v. 17 reads:-' Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come'
There are 929 chapters in the Old Testament.

In Genesis ch. 5 v. 5 it states that:- 'Thus all the days that Adam lived were 930 years, and he died.'  The Hebrew meaning of the number 930 means 'Old things are past, new comes'. Matthew ch. 1 is the 930th chapter of the Bible and I do not think it is coincidence that the first chapter of the New Testament speaks about the birth of Jesus, which is absolutely symbolic of 'Old things are past, new comes'

It is as if the bringing in of the second Adam  (Jesus) being written in the 930th chapter of the Bible spiritually represents the Adam of the Old Testament being done away with and the Adam of the New Testament forming a new version of mankind, and as if it was spiritually prophesied that this would happen in Genesis ch. 5 when we read the Hebrew meaning of the names. 
God's word is timeless and He can speak to any individual at any time through any word in the Bible no matter when that word was written, and I believe that as we mature in the Lord we come to understand the oracles of God more.
 
What was done away with was the having to continue as fleshly mankind, under the curse, the crucifixion Jesus went through being of the fleshly body.  What was brought in was  the ability for mankind to be born of God's Holy Spirit, and 'as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven.  Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven.'

I thank my God that He so loved the world that He sent His only begotten Son Who verified that love by becoming the sacrifice for our sins. 

The Power of Love

There's something about You Jesus
that just escapes my mind
about how You cause the lame to walk
and restore the sight of the blind
and how You can take the lowly
the broken hearted ones
and place them in Your kingdom
to bring them up as sons

There's something about You Jesus
there's something about Your face
though I can't see any features
I see wisdom, compassion and grace  
There's something about those eyes Lord
that shed those tears for me
there's something about those healing hands
that they fastened to that tree

What made You say 'Father forgive them
for they know not what they do'
when they saved the life of Barabbas
and they chose to crucify You
I know what that 'something' is Lord
as I look to my Father above
It's the one thing that covers all others
It's Your totally unselfish love
















Without You as my Lord

Without You as my Lord, I have no King
without You as my first love there's no song to sing
without You as my eagle my spirit can't soar
without You as my gold I will always be poor
Without You as my life there can only be death
for by Your Holy Spirit I draw every breath
without You as my Saviour I'm lost and forlorn
so praise God, Hallelujah that I've been reborn

88 comments:

Laurie Collett said...

Dear Brenda,
This is absolutely fascinating and, I believe, right on point. It is amazing how God's Word is alive, so that each time we read it, the Holy Spirit gives us a fresh application and new understanding. Thank you for this enlightening and edifying post. Praise God for the new beginnings He gives us through His Son.
God bless you,
Laurie

Brenda said...

Hi Laurie,
the Lord is on my mind constantly, sometimes I can't sleep for thinking about what is in that written Word. I truly believe that 'every day of our lives is written in His book before even one of them was formed', and that as we seek more of God's wisdom then the secret things that belong to Him shall be revealed to us. My greatest desire is to mature in the Lord and become more like Him.
God bless you Laurie and thank you for your visit.

Sateigdra L Knowles said...

Hello Brenda
This was so encourging to read and a great reminder of God's perfect undying love for us. I shared this on my Facebook page and I hope it can encourage others. I need encouragement daily like I need food. Recently I have been feeling overwhelmed and just really sad and angry often with different circumstances in my life. I thank God for you and other brethren who are so encouraging. God bless you Brenda. I also am glad God delivers me out of every trial.

Brenda said...

Hi Sateigdra,
I too have felt sad lately, there are many struggles in this life. My friend is going through an on going trial too and she had feelings of great sadness and frustration which turned into anger recently . Her situation is very sad and lonely, and if it wasn't for the Lord being in our lives I believe that there would be no comfort and peace for us. It is amazing how we have been comforted and counselled through the Word of God being spoken to us with signs accompanying it over the past few weeks, when both our trials have been quite hard. He is definitely our strength when we are weak. I can't imagine life without Him, and I believe it is getting near the time of His return. The world is in turmoil, and has returned to a state of chaos.

Paul G said...

Hi Brenda,
It is interesting that in Genesis 5:1 the Lord Jesus Christ created MAN in His likeness.
Note; it doesn't say mankind.
In that sense, it refers to only Adam, since Cain was born of the evil one (1 John 3:12) and not in the likeness of Adam.

Because Cain was not in the likeness of Adam (Jesus) therefore Adam wanted a son who was in his (Adam's) likeness, according to Adam's image (Gen. 5:3) to replace murdered Abel (Gen. 4:25).

The statement, "In the likeness of God" has no meaning unless we believe that this God is the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Brenda said...

Paul,
Genesis ch. 5 v. 1 says :- 'This is the book of the generations of Adam. When God created man, He made him in the likeness of God.'
Verse 2 goes on to say 'Male and female He created them, and He blessed them and named them Man when they were created.

Yet in Genesis ch. 2 it does not say that the Adam spoken of there was made in the likeness of God, it says he was formed from dust and became a 'living being'. It goes on to say that he was not allowed to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
In Genesis ch. 3 v. 22 God says:- 'Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil.....'
This shows that the Adam spoken of here could not have been Jesus, otherwise He would have been like God (in His image)when he was first formed, already knowing good and evil.

I believe that Genesis ch. 5 is the 'solid food' of the Word spoken of in Hebrews ch. 5 v. 12 from which we start to learn.
Verse 14 goes on to say:-
'But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.'
I believe the powers of discernment spoken of here is speaking of being able to discern the scriptures spiritually, and understanding what those scriptures spoken to us, as we work out our salvation, are convicting and convincing us of in our lives.
This is how we are able to discern between what is 'good' and what is 'evil' in God's eyes.

There is a lot more I could say on what I believe here but it is difficult to discuss as we see things differently.

No Doubt said...

Brenda and Paul,
Just a little food for thought. Genesis chapter five, word for word, says,

"1A. The legal genealogical register, of generations, of Adam.

1B. One day, Elohim created Adam, formed in Elohim likeness.

2. A man, a female created, blessed and called Adam, in the day of creation.


Verse 1A says something, very enlightening. It's the legal register of the generations of Adam. This is the uncorrupted Messianic line, which explains why Cain and Abel does not appear, in the genealogy.

Also, notice the pronoun, them, does not even appear in the original text.

Again, just food for thought.
Keith

Brenda said...

That is right Keith,
Regarding my views on this subject, I would ask you to read the post that I have written on it:- http://lighthousevision.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/let-us-make-man-in-our-image_22.html

Laurie Collett said...

Amen, Brenda, you are growing daily in wisdom and grace by delving into God's Word. Thank you for being such a Godly example and encouragement to your readers.
God bless you and your ministry,
Laurie

Brenda said...

Aw Laurie,
I have so much to learn and I know that you are one of those believers who love the Lord and share so much of His wisdom in your writings. We would be lost in a world of chaos if we chose not to seek the Lord for the only wisdom that can bring peace to this world, the Wisdom of God.
God bless you and your lovely ministry, and all the other parts of the body of Christ - our brothers and sisters in the Lord.

Paul G said...

Yes Keith, I call 1A. The line of the elect (God's children), and Genesis 4:16-23 the line of the reject (Satan's children).
Abel is not mentioned because the son of the evil one (1 John 3:12) murdered his halve-brother Abel.

Brenda, Adam was created like God.
In His likeness means, like God or in His exact representation, or in plain words, just like Jesus, but not deity.

Brenda said...

As you know Paul, I believe there is a difference in the Adam that was formed from dust and the Adam that was 'created' in God's image. I have also explained to you that I see in the scriptures that the Adam formed from dust happened before the bushes and plants had sprung up, and the Adam that was created was 'created' on the sixth day (male and female), which I believe is the full body of Christ (the church) which will be completed on the sixth day according to 'one day is as a thousand years with God'.
A lot more I could say, and have said in my previous posts, which might seem 'foolish' to you but I can only write on what I believe the Lord is revealing to me.

Paul G said...

Yes Brenda, I know that you believe that.
I believe just as it said in Genesis 1:27; and Gen. 2:7 is a more detailed explanation of Gen. 1:27.
It is on the same day and the same Adam in both verses it speaks of the first (male) Adam who was created in God's image, by that I mean, in the image of Jesus He created Adam, since Jesus is the creator God who created all things.
Out of the dust He only made the first male Adam in His image, all on the sixth 24 hour day before the plants had yet sprouted, and on the same day He planted a garden, obviously the plants had then grown by that time (on the same day).
He then put the man in the garden and made Eve out of the man, therefore "in the image of God He created him, male and female He created them" (Gen. 1:27).

All that was on the sixth 24 hour day plus the fall of man etc.
As for me Brenda, I cannot read a six thousand year creation into Genesis six day creation, that to me is to much speculation without much relevant Scriptural support, all though I have been confronted with that doctrine many times.

As to 2 Peter 3:8 'one day is as a thousand years with God', is talking about the coming of the Lord Jesus.
I think that the Lord is talking about His enduring patience towards mankind, and to Him, time is not an issue whether one day or a thousand years makes no difference to Him.

And I see that the body of Christ (His Church) is already complete and was complete two thousand years ago after His sacrifice on the cross.
You see, the Lord Jesus has purified His Church on the cross by His blood and therefore His Church is already completed and washed as white as snow by His blood.
Remember, it was His work and not ours, it is what He has done and not what we can do.
Jesus said, 'it is finished' ! meaning that He has completed His work and we rejoice and proclaim His gospel to all the world.

Brenda said...

Paul,
there are many things in the scriptures we see differently, particularly Genesis chapters 1-5. As I have said before, we shall just agree to disagree there as we have discussed the written word contained there many times and what is written is quite plain to me.

Regarding the church:- no I do not believe that the church is complete yet and I believe that when Jesus said in Luke ch. 13 v. 32

‘Behold, I cast out devils and I do cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.' I believe there is a spiritual meaning to it also as in Jesus' church (His body) being added to for the next two thousand years(one day being as a thousand years) and then being perfected. (As in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive},as is fully documented in 1 Corinthians ch. 15 vs. 20 - 28:-

'But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep. For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For 'God has put all things in subjection under his feet.' But when it says, 'all things are put in subjection,' it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.'

That is what I believe the end of Genesis ch. 1 is saying, that the 'us' is God and Jesus making mankind in their image, and how believing in Jesus gives us power to become children of God as is written in the scriptures, which tell us that Jesus was the first of many brethren.

Laurie Collett said...

Amen, Brenda -- God is the author of peace, and He will keep him in perfect peace whose mind is fixed on Him. All else is confusion. May God bless you for all you do to be an instrument of His peace in this conflicted world.
God bless,
Laurie

Brenda said...

Hi Laurie,
I believe the only peace we can have in this world is in Jesus, and that means trying to live according to His instruction as we are taught by the Holy Spirit. He is the One mediator between man and God and I thank my God for His Son, our Saviour.
God bless you Laurie.

Paul G said...

Well Brenda, you should know me by now, I do not agree to disagree, for the Lord expects us to agree, first with the Lord and then with all our brothers and sisters so that we are united in all our doctrines, preaching and proclamations.
A house cannot be divided against itself, or it will fall, and the house of the Lord Jesus Christ (the Church) is not divided, but perfect, spotless and without wrinkle. After all, it is the Lord Jesus who builds His Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.
.
When I said that I see the body of Christ as complete, I did not mean, as in numbers, but as in perfection, that is because of the blood of Jesus which has cleansed us from all our sins.

You said, "That is what I believe the end of Genesis ch. 1 is saying, that the 'us' is God and Jesus making mankind in their image, and how believing in Jesus gives us power to become children of God as is written in the scriptures, which tell us that Jesus was the first of many brethren."

I think that your interpretation is not true because you always start with a false presupposition.
Why is it so difficult for you to believe that there is only ONE GOD ?

You always think that there are TWO Gods, in fact you believe in three gods just like the trinitarians, and for that reason it is impossible for you to understand anything of the Scriptures.

"God and Jesus" ! Please Brenda pause for a moment and think.

Don't run with every wind of doctrine.
Your doctrines are not true, someone has told you a lie, and we both know who the liar is.

"God and Jesus making mankind in their image".
Look Brenda, blind Freddy can see that you are a polytheist believing in many gods.

You need to turn away from those gods and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
There is no other way Brenda.
Why is it that you can't hear what I am saying ?
You are transgressing the first and second commandment of the Lord.

Brenda said...

Paul,
I believe in every word that comes from the mouth of God, not every word that comes from the mouth of Paul G. as you would like me to.

I do believe in Jesus and that is how I have become a child of God, just as Jesus was born the only begotten Son of God in a man's body with the Spirit of God in Him. Jesus on earth was the Word of God made flesh, One with God the Father in Spirit, the One and only mediator between man and God, the first of many brethren. All who are born of the Spirit become children of God as Jesus said when He prayed in John ch. 17 vs. 20-22:-

'I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me through their message, that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in US, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one—…'

If you notice Paul, Jesus prays 'may they also be in US so that the world may believe that You sent Me'

I believe what Jesus says Paul, why don't you?

All authority was given to Jesus, and the One Who gave Him that authority was God the Father Who is Spirit and Who, being omnipresent, can be in any one person or all, that is how Jesus could say:- 'I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one—…'

Jesus' words are Spirit and life.

Paul G said...

No Brenda, you don't believe in Jesus, certainly not in the Jesus of the Bible.
There are many men who are called Jesus and you believe in one of those but not in the biblical Jesus who is the Christ.
2 Corinthians 11:4 'Anyone who comes to you and preaches another JESUS whom we have not preached, you put up easily'.

And neither do you believe every word that comes from the mouth of God.
Isaiah 9:6 said that Jesus shall be called 'Mighty God', but of course you don't believe that.
What about, 'Jesus shall be called the 'everlasting Father', you don't believe that either, in fact you believe nothing of the Scriptures.
You will not even believe when Jesus said, "If you do know that I am He, you will die in your sins" (John 8:24).
Well Brenda, I can quote you numerous verses which you will not believe.

God cannot have a Father, He IS the Father (1 Cor.8:6).
God cannot have a son, He IS the Son (Isa. 9:6).
God cannot have a spirit, He IS the Spirit (John 4:24).

Jesus IS the Father just as he claims to be, (John 14:9, John 10:30).
Jesus Is the Son, God incarnated (Mat. 1:22-25).
Jesus IS the Spirit (2 Cor. 3:17) who created the heavens and the earth (Gen, 1:1-.... and John 1:3-10).

I know that you don't believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord God Almighty, you think that He is only a man, and for that reason you will not worship the Lord Jesus Christ, even though all believers in the Bible worshiped the Lord Jesus Christ John 9:38, Mat. 14:33 and 28:9).

Brenda, you need to repent and start afresh, but this time in the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
Repent means, that you get rid of all other gods and believe only in the Lord Jesus Christ. Yes, it means that you condemn every other god PUBLICLY, and then you preach the Lord Jesus Christ alone as the ONLY God.
If I can do it, so can you.
The Lord our only God Jesus Christ does not give us a job we cannot do, His yoke is easy and His burden is light.

I do not doubt your born again experience Brenda, but I think that there is a deceiving spirit who has lead you astray from the Lord Jesus Christ to serve another god.
We both know who that is.

Brenda said...

Jesus is all those things to us Paul because God has made Him our Lord and He is the express image of God in Spirit. I preach Jesus Christ crucified on earth because that is what I am called to do, and all who become born again of God's Holy Spirit are One with Jesus and with God the Father, because the Oneness is of the Spirit not the flesh. Wonderful!

No Doubt said...

The scriptures are very clear that there is a Father, who is above and separate from the son, but one in Spirit. One must contort the scriptures to arrive at the belief that the Son is the Father. They are separate entities, same in Spirit.

Brenda said...

Amen Keith,
the whole point of Jesus being crucified was that we could be born of God's Spirit, just as He was. He was the first of many brethren, the One and only mediator between man and God, through Whom we can become children of God, a new creation.
That written Word is our judge as we work out our salvation.

Paul G said...

Brenda,
"God has made Him Lord" is a metaphoric statement for the ignorant who do not know God, so that they would believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and have a confidence that this Jesus is the LORD GOD came in the flesh.

You said, 'He is the express image of God in Spirit.'
Well Brenda, it's not exactly like that; why not say that He (Jesus) is the express image of God.
Which means that Jesus is the Lord God Almighty the creator of heaven and earth, in other words, He is the true God and eternal life (1 John 5:20).

Jesus is not a carbon copy of another person called Father, God or Yahweh. That's a trinitarian deception, they believe that God is three persons and Jesus is a carbon copy of the Father.

No Brenda, you don't exactly preach Jesus Christ, you preach another god whom you call the Father and Yahweh.
In everything you say, there are always TWO gods, you said, "and all who become born again of God's Holy Spirit are One with Jesus and with God the Father,"

If someone inquires of the Lord, in which god does he believe ?
In two of them, or in all three of them ?

I hope you can see the error of your preaching.

Brenda, I am picking a little splinter from your eye, but because it is in your eye it is a plank from your perspective.

Paul G said...

No Keith, Father is the title of the Lord Jesus Christ and not of a separate person, the same as Son is also a title.
And Lord or God are all titles of the Lord Jesus Christ.
But you give those titles to separate persons and end up in a confusion.

Brenda said...

Paul,
It is not a metaphor and I have shared many scriptures with you on your own blog as well as mine and Keith's that have backed this up. I think it is quite obvious that you do not go by the written Word, and that we could go on for ever discussing the same thing. I have to say it has become time wasting now, and (I don't mean to be rude) a little boring. It is our choice whether we believe what Jesus says, or what our carnal mind says which goes against it.

Brenda said...

Sorry Paul,
I should not have used the word 'boring', I do think that sounds a bit rude. The appropriate word to use here according to how I think the discussion has gone is 'monotonous', as I believe we are going over and over the same things all the time, and the plumb line has to be the Written word and not a puritan doctrine. Any man formed doctrine will make void the Word of God and will bring about the worship of the created above the worship of the Creator.

Paul G said...

Yes that's right Brenda, any man made doctrine will bring about the worship of a false god like worshiping Jehovah, Yahweh and Allah etc.

In the Scriptures they worshiped the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, obviously something you will never do.
You worship a false god called Yahweh rather than the Lord Jesus Christ who is the true God and eternal life (1 John 6:20).

Most Christians and I, we worship the Lord Jesus Christ just like in the Scriptures (John 9:38, and he worshiped Him, Mat. 14:7 the Apostles worshiped the Lord Jesus, Mat. 28:9 they took hold of His feet and worshiped Him, Mat. 2:11 and the wise men worshiped the Lord Jesus Christ.

So tell me, why don't you worship the Lord Jesus Christ ?

Is it that you are wiser than the wise men or the Apostles, or are your doctrines above their doctrines and mine ?

You are transgressing the first and the second Commandment of the Lord.
You ought to worship Jesus and not Yahweh.
That might be monotonous to you but not to the Lord Jesus Christ whom I represent.

Brenda said...

Yes Paul,
I love Jesus, God's Son, the One Whom God made my Lord, the One Who is seated at the right hand of the Father making intercession for God's children:-

'What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? Who shall bring any charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.' Romans ch. 8 vs. 31-34

Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them. Hebrews ch. 7 v. 25.

Paul G said...

Brenda,
You are very skilled in avoiding my points and questions.
Soon or later you have to make up your mind whether you are going to worship the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth or that false god called Yahweh.

If you would love the Lord Jesus you would worship Him.
And don't think that you can worship both of them. If you do, then read the second Command of the Lord (Exodus 20:5).

Well, I'm going to ask you again, WHICH GOD made Jesus your Lord ?
And on WHICH FATHER s right hand is the Lord Jesus Christ seated ?

Brenda, as long as you can't answer those two questions intelligently, you cannot and do not know God.

Brenda said...

Which God made Jesus our Lord and on which Father's right hand is the Lord Jesus Christ seated Paul?
The One that David spoke of (referred to in Acts ch. 2 vs. 34 and 35):-

‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.”

Verse 36 speaks about the God Who made Jesus our Lord

'Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.'

That is all I need to know, what the scriptures say about this. As for the names of God, there are many in the old testament which are all written in the original language - One being translated as 'I AM WHO I AM':-

'Then Moses said to God, 'Behold, I am going to the sons of Israel, and I will say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you.' Now they may say to me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?' God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, 'Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, I AM has sent me to you.' God, furthermore, said to Moses, 'Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations.…'

Exodus ch. 3 vs. 13-15

Notice Paul, that David refers to two Lords, and God says this is His name forever, and His memorial name to all generations.

I would encourage you to believe scripture rather than mans' doctrine.

Laurie Collett said...

Dear Brenda,
Praise God that there is One Mediator between God and man, the Lord Christ Jesus Who sits at His right hand interceding for us. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit are One God. That is a mystery we cannot fathom with our limited minds, but we will know it completely when we see Him face to face.
God bless you,
Laurie

Paul G said...

No Brenda, I did not ask you to quote the Scriptures to me, I'm old enough to read the Scriptures myself, but I ask you what those passages mean.
And no, that's not all you need to know.

You need to know and believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord God Almighty the creator of heaven and earth and that beside Jesus was NO God formed, and there will be NONE after Him (Isa. 43:10).
And if you don't believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the only God and eternal life you will die in your sins (John 8:24 and 1 John 5:20).
Every devil knows what the Bible says, that is because they also can read the Bible.
But for you it is required that you repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ alone and in NO OTHER !

I AM THAT I AM is not a name Brenda, you are deliberately denying the Name of God which is JESUS, and crown a god who is NOT God.
We have been talking about many times.

How long is it going to be till you turn from your error ?
Isn't the Lord Jesus Christ good enough for you ?
Why is it that your heart is always wandering from the Lord Jesus Christ to another god ?

It seems to me that ONE God is not enough for you. You are just like all trinitarians who believe in the gods of this world and think that they can make them understand the Scriptures.

No Brenda, do not deceive yourself and think that you believe in the God of the Bible.
You think that you are close to God, that makes it harder for you than for those who know that they are far from God.
Don't be like the Jews and the trinitarians, stiff-necked and stubborn always rejecting the Lord of glory Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Paul G said...

Hi Laurie Collett,
You said, "God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit are One God."

Are One God, ?
Well, if they are One God, then please tell me which ONE ?
No Laurie, I do not ask you which THREE, but which ONE ?

Brenda said...

Absolutely correct Laurie,
and the reason they are One God is because we speak of them in the Spirit and God is Spirit. We understand this because we too are One with them in the Spirit and have the mind of Christ.
God bless you Laurie.

Brenda said...

Yes Paul,
you are old enough in the flesh to read the scriptures, but you are not old enough in the Spirit to understand them.

Regarding the Jews Paul,
I was born a Jew through my mother's ancestry, and I do not reject Jesus. In fact I would say that agreeing with what is Written is reflecting not rejecting.

Paul G said...

Brenda, you said, 'the reason they are One God is because we speak of them in the Spirit'. And 'we too are One with them in the Spirit'.

THEY are One God ? How can 'THEY', those gods be One God ?

THEY cannot be 'HE' ! God is singular 'HE'; and THEY are plural, the gods.

Do you speak of THEM in the Spirit. With all of THEM ?
And are One with THEM in the the Spirit ?

So then, you are One with those many gods in the Spirit ? Brenda, Brenda, that is the epitome of deception and no one in his right mind would say such nonsense, especially not the one who claims to have the mind of Christ.

You need to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ of the Bible and not in another Jesus (2 Cor. 11:4), a Jesus of your own making.

Your Jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible.
Your Jesus is not the creator of heaven and earth.
Your Jesus is not your God.
Your Jesus is not Immanuel (God with us).
Your Jesus is not your Father who is in heaven.
Your Jesus is not the one you are praying to.
Your Jesus is not the one you worship.
In fact your Jesus is another Jesus, just as the Scriptures said in 2 Corinthians 11:4.

No Brenda, there is no back door where you can escape, you need to turn away from your false gods and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth and only then you shall be saved.

Brenda said...

As I have shown you before Paul,
It is Jesus, not me, Who said in John ch. 17 vs. 20-22:-

'I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me through their message, that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one—…'

One in the Spirit Paul, but you can't accept this because you are obviously not in the Spirit.
Why do you waste your time making yourself look foolish by denying the majority of scripture to try to prove the puritan doctrine right when what Jesus Himself says proves it wrong?
There is absolutely nothing you have said that has convinced or convicted me, the true Words of the Lord spoken to me, enlightened by the Holy Spirit, the Comforter and Counsellor, are the only convincing and convicting that is active and able to change me in my life.

No Doubt said...

Paul, You said that "Your Jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible.". However, I ask you to honestly step back and look at your interpretations and see how you have to go back and forth from literal to metaphorical, to prove the Puritan Doctrine. Do you honestly think that God is a God of confusion? Bottom line is that God wants you to grow close to him. You need to relinquish your man-made doctrine and get back to the scriptures, at a basic level and let the Spirit of God lead you. Come home, Paul. Your Father is calling you, by name. Come home, brother.

Paul G said...

Keith, God is not confused and neither am I.

What are Puritan doctrines ?
I believe in the doctrines of the Scripture, given by the Lord Jesus and not by the Pope of Rome.

No Doubt said...

Hi Paul, isn't your blog called, "Puritan Belief"? Arent't your early posts dedicated to the reputable men of your denomination? By the way, how did the pope get into our conversation? You appear confused, my friend. God can help you, if you give him a chance. Please give him a chance. Get away from the opinions of man and get back to Jewish roots and the Word of God.

Paul G said...

Well my friend, the Pope must have sneaked through the back door somehow, :-) he always does that.
His doctrines are called the universal doctrines (Catholic, means universal) and most churches believe them, without separating themselves from those doctrines.
As for you, you ought to believe the Apostles doctrines and not the universal doctrines.

And which God do you think can help me ? Is it Yahweh, or Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh, or is it Allah ?

Tell me, why don't you want to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ ? Remember, it is Jesus Christ who is the Word (John 1:1).

Laurie Collett said...

God's Triune nature is evident from the first line of Scripture: In the beginning GOD created the heavens and earth. The Hebrew word translated God is "Elohim," which is a plural noun using a singular subject, indicating the Trinity united as One God. We see this again just a little later in Genesis: "Let US make man in OUR own image."
God bless you Brenda, and your ministry,
Laurie

Paul G said...

Hi Laurie,
No, that is not in the Bible, you are making that up.
It only shows that you don't read the Bible properly, and for that reason you don't understand the Scriptures.

If God would have a Triune nature, don't you think that it would be written somewhere in the Bible ?
Neither does it say 'Elohim'; please just read the Bible and believe it, and don't believe those who pervert the Scriptures.

Paul G said...

It is erroneous for Christians to think that the gods created the heavens and the earth.
As one god would would have said to another god, 'let US (gods) make man in our image'.
What, in the image of the gods ?

I think that the devil has deceived all Christianity to believe such a lie.

Ceil said...

Hi Brenda! I learned so much from your blog post today. I had no idea that Adam's age really meant something else in Hebrew. Fascinating.
Do you still play and sing? The songs you sang are so touching and I know you would have sung them so heart-filled.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and your faith!
Ceil

Brenda said...

Hi Laurie,
I believe absolutely that God is Spirit, and that He is omnipresent being able to be in all at all times, just like vapour can be. Spirit is totally different to flesh. I also believe that Genesis ch. 1 is an overall picture of the six thousand years and that the 'us' is God the Father and Jesus the Son creating mankind in their image on the sixth day, as in one day is a thousand years with God. I have written why I believe this in my post - let us make man in our image.
I know that Paul G. insists that the puritan doctrine is right, but I don't mind him coming over on my blog as it is only scripture that can be the plumb line and I don't mind a discussion. However, we can all encourage one another but it is only the Holy Spirit that can convince and convict us of all things.
God bless you and your ministry too Laurie.

Brenda said...

Hi Ceil,
lovely to see you back blogging. There are so many hidden things in the scriptures and I love the way that numbers have significant meanings in the Hebrew language, also names.
I sing around the house Ceil but not out in the street any more, although my friend is always trying to get me to take my guitar out with us when we give out our leaflets. I just love the interaction with people outside. Going out today to a town in the valleys, lovely journey there.
God bless you Ceil.

Paul G said...

Well Brenda, you like to say that I believe in Puritan doctrines.
You only say that, because I have been demonstrating to you that you do not believe the Scriptures and neither do you believe the doctrines of the Apostles.

Tell me, where in the Scriptures does it say that God is three persons in one God ?
Or should I say, what does the plumb line say ?

The Puritans believed exactly the same lie, why then would I preach their doctrines ?
I do not refer to any man, and neither do I quote them.

I believe the Scriptures, which is the Bible and no other books, and I understand the doctrines of the Apostles which I'm willing to proclaim at any time.
Anyone who listens and obeys the doctrines of the Apostles will enjoy the blessings and the benefit of the living God Jesus Christ, and whosoever does not believe, will suffer the consequences of their unbelief.

A quote from the Scriptures, (Rev. 4:8) the four living creatures unceasingly say, "HOLY, HOLY, HOLY is the Lord God, THE ALMIGHTY, WHO WAS AND IS AND IS TO COME."
Isn't that the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth ?
How then can you say that Jesus is NOT the Lord God ?
Or, do you think that a god called Yahweh 'WAS and IS and IS to COME' ?

And look, Matthew 28:9 "And behold Jesus met them and greeted them. And they came up and took hold of His feet and WORSHIPED Him."

Why do you worship Yahweh and NOT Jesus ?
Well Brenda, this is the doctrine of the Apostles which I proclaim.


Christians are like a herd of oxen going to the slaughter and no one is holding them back.
And on the way to the slaughterhouse, they tap one another's shoulders and say that God got it under control and everything is good and fine.

I have observed that the Hospitals are full of so called Christians who believe in those three god-persons who are supposed to be one God, and not one of those gods is able to rescue them from their suffering.
I wonder, when will those people ever wake up from their slumber.
Or perhaps, should I congratulate Satan for deceiving the wise and the intelligent to believe such a lie that God is three persons in one God ?

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No Doubt said...

Paul, We agapao you, my brother, but you are not listening. If you are truly a B'nai Elohim, Child of God, then open those spiritual eyes and ears and listen to what the Spirit and we are saying.

Your allegiance to your man-made doctrine is fogging your comprehension. You have elevated the Gift of God, so high, that you don't even see the Father, anymore.

You have made the Gift of Salvation, god, rather than the Giver of Salvation, YHWH, Yah Ehyeh.

My hopes and prayers continually go out for you to come home.

As I said to you earlier, The reason, why you are having problems understanding God's Truth, is you don't fully comprehend or make the concept of God's Love, your own. Until then, as Sh'aul (Paul) said, "You are but a clanging cymbal."

Come home. Throw off your pride of clinging to that man-made religion and cling to God. Become part of the Remnant of this Generation and be a committed B'nai Elohim, a Son of God.

Brenda said...

Sorry, made a mistake in verses when posting this comment, have re-done it.

Why do you call your blog Puritan belief and yet say that you do not believe the Puritan's doctrine.
I believe the scriptures Paul, and the doctrine of the Apostles.

As far as you saying 'Tell me, where in the Scriptures does it say that God is three persons in one God ?'

I have never seen these words 'God is three persons in one God'
in the Scriptures Paul, and neither have I said it in my comments or blog posts Paul.


If you read these scriptures in 1 John 5 vs. 6 - 12 they are some of the finest scriptures that state Who Jesus is and how we have life in Him:-

This is he who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not by the water only but by the water and the blood. And the Spirit is the one who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree. If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater, for this is the testimony of God that he has borne concerning his Son. Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.

As you see there IT IS WRITTEN:-
'And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.'

I thank God Paul, that He has given me eternal life in His Son Jesus.

Paul G said...

Hi Keith, well, in the western world we speak English and we don't say, 'we agape you', and neither do we use unbiblical names like Y'shua, Yahweh, Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh, etc. etc.

I don't have a problem 'understanding God's Truth'. That is because I personally know the Truth (John 14:6), and that is Jesus.

Tell me, do you know what the gift of salvation is ?
In English please and not in Swahili :-)

Paul G said...


Well Brenda, the doctrine of the Apostles are, that Jesus is LORD.

Jesus is not one of the lords as you say, He is the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY.
But you believe that Yahweh is the LORD and Jesus is only a little lord.
You don't believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord God the Almighty the creator of heaven and earth, even though the Scriptures say that; and don't say that you believe the Scriptures, when you clearly don't.

Do you believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the FATHER ?
No you don't !
But the Scriptures said that Jesus IS the Father (Isa. 9:6 and John 14:9 and John 10:30 and many more), and don't say that you believe the Scriptures when you clearly don't.

Do you believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit ?
No you don't !
But the Scriptures said that the Lord Jesus is the Holy Spirit (2 Cor. 3:17), and don't say that you believe the Scriptures when you clearly don't.

Do you believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Son ?
Big deal !
Every devil believes that (Mat. 8:29).

Do you believe that God came in the flesh ?
No you don't !
You believe that God sent someone else, a so called 'Son'.
But the Scriptures said God appeared in a body (1Tim. 3:16), the very Scriptures which you claim to believe.

"By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist of which you have heard that is coming, and now is already in the world. (I John 4:2-3)"

Yes Brenda, IT IS WRITTEN !
And you need to turn away from Yahweh and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and then you shall be saved, believe not and you shall be damned.
Don't look for an escape Brenda, there is none.

Brenda said...

That is right Paul,
Jesus is my Lord, that is because God the Father made Him my Lord. However, He was still born God's Son:- 'For to us a child is born, to us a son is given;' (Isaiah ch. 9 v. 6).

Yes He is called 'Wonderful Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace' as that same verse states, and that is because a Jewish person is named according to what he is and what he does or represents. He would be called all these names because He was the EXPRESS IMAGE of God.

Please notice Paul that Jesus was prophesied as being called Mighty God, not Almighty God,

Hebrews ch. 1 vs. 1-4 explain this fully:-

'Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.'

Colossians ch. 1 vs. 14-16 states - regarding Jesus:-
'IN whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. The SON is the IMAGE of the INVISIBLE GOD, the firstborn over all creation. For IN Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created THROUGH Him and for Him.…

Jesus was the second Adam, the life-giving Spirit(1 Corinthians ch. 15 v. 45) , to Whom God gave all authority.(Matthew ch. 28 v. 18) He was the first of many BRETHREN.('For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters' Romans ch. 8 v.29)

Yes, I absolutely believe in Jesus Paul, the One Whom the invisible God has made my Lord.


Paul G said...

No Brenda, Jesus is NOT your Lord, blind Freddy can see that.
Your Lord and your God is another one by the name of Yahweh.


Jesus is MY Lord and MY God, just as He is to Thomas (John 20:28) and to ALL who believe in Him.

Do you think that there is a Mighty God AND an ALMIGHTY God ?
TWO gods ! One god a little bigger than the other god ?
And please don't say that you believe in ONE God, a mighty god and an almighty god are TWO gods.
That is the same deception which the Jehovah Witnesses believe.

Look Brenda, because you do NOT believe in Jesus, therefore it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to understand any of the Scriptures.

You have quoted many Scripture passages and you think that in those passages you will have salvation and eternal life, but actually, all those passages point to the Lord Jesus Christ and yet you are UNWILLING to come to Jesus, so that you that would see the salvation of the Lord God the Almighty in reality and not in theory.

The express image means the exact look a like of Himself, it has nothing to do with titles or a name, and neither does He represent somebody else, and neither is He image of somebody else.

Adam was the first look alike of Jesus Christ without the title God, and Jesus is the second look alike of Himself and of course Adam, but with the title 'God'.
You and I and all of us, we are NOT the EXACT look alike of Adam and neither of Jesus Christ.
We look like the FALLEN creatures, a mixture of the beasts image and Adams (God's) image.
For that reason (after the fall), Adam wanted a son who looked like him (Adam) (Gen. 5:3).

Brenda said...

Paul,
what you have said here:-
'Adam was the first look alike of Jesus Christ without the title God, and Jesus is the second look alike of Himself and of course Adam, but with the title 'God'' makes no sense at all according to scripture.

Jesus was not the Adam that God formed from dust 'When no bush of the field was yet in the land and no small plant of the field had yet sprung up—for the Lord God had not caused it to rain on the land, and there was no man to work the ground.' (Genesis ch. 2 v. 5). That was the first Adam, the one who was disobedient to God. The second Adam was Jesus.

Where you say 'You and I and all of us, we are NOT the EXACT look alike of Adam and neither of Jesus Christ.
We look like the FALLEN creatures, a mixture of the beasts image and Adams (God's) image.
For that reason (after the fall), Adam wanted a son who looked like him (Adam) (Gen. 5:3).'

It is not what we look like in the physical, it is 'as a man thinks so he is'
The Adam in Genesis ch. 5 was created not 'formed', and as the scriptures are discerned spiritually (1 Corinthians ch. 2 v. 14), there is a much deeper meaning to Genesis ch. 5 than the natural mind can understand which only the Holy Spirit, which Jesus said the Father would send can reveal. 'But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you' (John ch. 14 v. 26)

When we are born of God's Holy Spirit then we are not taught by man.
I have been born of God's Spirit for over thirty years now and I find that what the Spirit is revealing as I grow in the Lord is amazing, it is not taught by man, and many hidden things are revealed through the meaning of the original Hebrew names in the Bible. We who are born again are all parts of the body of Christ and not one has it all, but what we do have when we are taught by the Spirit is the truth.

Paul G said...

Brenda, a look alike is in the physical, there is no look alike in the spiritual.
Genesis is the Lord's physical creation, and the look alike is physical (natural).
The Scriptures calls it 'image', I only used the word 'look alike', because it pertains to the appearance (looks) of a man.
Tell me, did Adam looked like a Negroid, Caucasoid or a Mongoloid ?

Jesus is called the second Adam because of the look alike (His appearance).
After the Lord Jesus Christ created Adam, He prepared for Himself a BODY in the likeness of Adam, of which we know that He indwells three thousand years later (Jesus Christ of Nazareth), just as the Prophets have foretold.

Created, means formed, made or fashioned, it is interchangeable. In Genesis 5, the words 'created', and 'made' were used, referring 'him and them', Adam and Eve, just like in Genesis 1:27.

You said, 'When we are born of God's Holy Spirit then we are not taught by man.'

Look Brenda, what you are saying seems to me that you are taught by men, or more likely by a false spirit.
A person who claims to be born of the Spirit of God would never teach that one god is talking to another god and the other god sending a third god etc. etc. or that three gods have a dialogue which each other and playing stupid mind games.

Yes, the natural mind cannot understand the things of the Spirit, but the natural mind CAN understand the things of the natural, and the problem is when the natural mind does NOT understand the things of the natural.

The natural mind supposed understand that, if there is a Mighty God and an Almighty God, then that would be TWO gods. Yes Brenda, TWO gods ! And don't say that the TWO are ONE, two can never be one.
The Spiritual mind has to speak the truth, and has to agree with the truth, or else, it's devilish.

So when you say that you believe in a Mighty God and in an Almighty God, then a spirit of the devil has deceived you to believe such a lie.
And please don't claim that you have been taught by the Spirit of God, when you clearly don't understand the natural and the spiritual.

I think that someone who claims to be born of the Spirit of God, must first understand the things of the natural and after the new birth also the things of the Spirit, one without the other is a deception.
And yes, it has to make sense, nonsense is ungodly.
To say that there is a mighty God and an Almighty God is nonsense, and then to say that the mighty god is having a dialogue with an Almighty God is the epitome of deception.

Brenda, you need to go back to the beginning, the first step, you got lost somewhere on your spiritual journey.
You need to start again, but this time with the Lord Jesus Christ the first step and after, every step has to be with the Lord Jesus Christ, don't look to the left and don't look to the right, but let your gaze be fixed on Him and it will be impossible for you to fail or be deceived, by men or by a spirit.

Brenda said...

Paul,
there is no point in further discussion as you discount scripture such as Genesis ch. 2 which gives account of the disobedience of the 'living being' Adam. How you can claim that the Adam spoken of there is Jesus I can not understand. No man has ever seen God, Who is Spirit and, as I have said before, it is only the Holy Spirit that can convince and convict us as we work out our own salvation.

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Blogger Brenda said...
Sorry, did not quite put it as I want to.

Just to add Paul,
As Asaph said in Psalm 82 'I said, 'You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;'nevertheless, like men you shall die,and fall like any prince.'
as children of God when we are born again of God's Spirit, we can be classed as 'gods' as children of men can be called 'men'.

Just as Jesus was the Son of God, the firstborn of many brethren (born of God's Spirit, not of man's spirit), so too we are children of God when we are born of God's Spirit.

Paul G said...

Brenda, I do not discount the Scriptures but rather I uphold the Scriptures, and we are talking about weightier things than just to have a knowledge of the Scriptures.

We all can see that you don't lack in knowing the Scriptures, in fact you are very zealous in quoting the Scriptures and that is what I like about you and I wish that everybody would be as zealous as you are.

But the Word of the Lord has come to you, saying that you should have NO OTHER god next to the Lord your God Jesus Christ.

The problem from believing in two gods or in a trinity of gods is that you are transgressing the first and most important commandment of the Lord, and by doing so you are guilty of all other commandments of the Lord.
You need to ask yourself, 'Is JESUS LORD' ? And, 'Is Jesus YOUR LORD' ?

Now 'LORD' means GOD ALMIGHTY the creator of heaven and earth. It doesn't mean little lord, or one of the lords, and neither does it mean a MIGHTY lord next to the ALMIGHTY LORD.

You see, if Jesus is NOT your ALMIGHTY God, then He is NOT your Lord.
And if you do not repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, then for me to baptise you into His Name is useless, worthless and you are still in darkness.
Before salvation comes repentance from believing in any other god, and after repentance is believing only in Jesus Christ as Lord and God.
Any other attempt is vain and doesn't profit much

Brenda said...

Paul,'
where you say:- 'then for me to baptise you into His Name is useless, worthless and you are still in darkness.', I have no idea what you mean about you baptizing me into His Name.

As for where you say:- 'Before salvation comes repentance from believing in any other god, and after repentance is believing only in Jesus Christ as Lord and God'
I would agree with most of what you said as in:- 'and after repentance is believing only in Jesus Christ as Lord', and that is because God has made Jesus my Lord, and Jesus is the only mediator between man and God.

Paul, Acts ch. 2 v. 36 states the apostle Peter as saying:- 'Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified,” both Lord and Christ! '

The scriptures are so plain that I anyone who can not accept what they say is arguing with what they say, and sometimes that can be blasphemy. We have to be very careful what we are swayed towards. I love Jesus, the Word of God made flesh, Who now is seated at the right hand of the Father making intercession for us.

Paul whenever I think of Jesus and His sacrifice, scripture comes straight into my mind. I love being taught by the Holy Spirit, and I love doing what I have been called to do.

Believing in the Lord means believing in that Word Paul.

The more we go through trials, whether they be scriptural or physical, then the more we learn to trust in that Word and the stronger we become.

Paul G said...

Yes Brenda, Jesus is the mediator between God and man, but that is between YOU and God and between ALL those who do not know God.

But the Lord Jesus Christ is NOT my mediator and neither is He the mediator between all those who know God, and those who know God do not need a mediator.

The Lord Jesus Christ is my Lord and my God and my heavenly FATHER, that is because I am born of Him, and a son does NOT need a mediator between him and his FATHER, just like a son of God does NOT need a mediator between him and God.

But the judgement is on them that do NOT know God (2 Thes.1:8), and the Lord judges all who do not believe (2 Thes. 2:11).
But WHOSOER believes in the Lord Jesus Christ is NOT judged, but has passed from death unto life.

Brenda, if the Scriptures are so plain, then why don't you believe ?
And if you would know God, then surely you would tell me WHICH God made Jesus your Lord ?
And if you would believe in the Lord Jesus Christ then you would also believe me, after all, I am His representative.

Brenda said...

Paul,
it is scripture that says:- 'For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,' (1 Timothy ch. 2 v. 5)

and Jesus Himself Who says:- 'In that day you will no longer ask Me anything. Truly, truly, I tell you, whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you.'(John ch. 16 v. 23)

and Jesus Who said,:-

'I came from the Father and entered the world. In turn, I will leave the world and go to the Father.' (John ch. 16 v. 28)

and His disciples who said that he was speaking plainly, not metaphorically regarding this:-
'His disciples said, 'See, now You are speaking plainly and without figures of speech.' (John ch. 16 v. 29)

As a born again believer I am part of the body of Christ on earth and have the mind of Christ, as do all of those who are in Christ, as 1 Corinthians ch. 2 v. 16 says:- 'For who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct Him?' But we have the mind of Christ.'

Also Paul, you have not said what you meant by 'then for me to baptise you into His Name is useless, worthless and you are still in darkness.'

Paul G said...

Yes Brenda, the Lord Jesus is speaking plainly to His disciples and to me, but obviously not to you, to you He speaks metaphorically, that is because you don't believe in Him.

The Scriptures said, that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Father, but you don't believe His testimony, how then could you know what John 16:28 means ? How could you ?
Well, tell me if you think that you can.
You still think that one god came from another god into this world and he is going back to this other god, whoever that might be.

Brenda, as I have said, that repentance comes first and then BELIEF, and if you get baptized without repentance and belief, your baptism is worthless, I'm speaking about water baptism.
But I am baptizing those of the household of faith into His NAME, not into water, just as the disciples did in Acts, water cannot wash away sins, but belief and faith in His NAME does.

And His Name is JESUS and not Yahweh.
No one born of God will worship a god called Yahweh, but all believers who are born of God will worship the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
Where are you Brenda, don't you think it's time ?

Brenda said...

Paul,
I have already been baptized into His name:-

After repenting of my sins, confessing my belief in Y'shua (the only reason I use the name Jesus is because that is what people in the western world know His as. That does not change Who He is in reality.) I was then baptized in water by a very humble pastor in an Adelaide church who had not been taught by man. I came up out of the water speaking in a language I had never learned (In scripture called speaking in tongues, speaking mysteries to God, (which no man understands), as quoted in 1 Corinthians ch. 14 v. 2,)and have had the Holy Spirit counselling and comforting me ever since. This is the Holy Spirit which Jesus promised, as quoted in John ch. 14 v. 26:- 'But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said to you.'

I have, and still am being, counselled and comforted by the Holy Spirit, just as scripture states Paul, and could not have come through what I have come through without that comforting and counselling.

What more could I wish for Paul, except brothers and sisters who have also experienced the same experience, and I have those too Paul.

Paul G said...

No Brenda, you have NOT been baptized into the Name Jesus, I can hear that in all of your posts and comments.

Even now, in your last comment you are perverting the Name JESUS and call Him Y'shua, a name which is NOT in God's Word the Bible.

When the devils blaspheme the Name of GOD, they do NOT say, Y'shua, they say JESUS Christ.
Yes Brenda, they blaspheme God's NAME, which is JESUS.

And if all the devils know the Name of God, why then don't you know the Name of God ? And why are you diminishing His Name ?

You have been baptized into the names and titles of pagan gods, or plainly, you have been deceived by a lying spirit who tells you that the Lord JESUS Christ's Name is NOT Jesus but Y'shua.

And I do not deny or dispute your experience with the Lord, and I know what you have said is true, but that does not exempt you from repenting and turning back again to your Father who is in heaven Jesus Christ our Lord and only God (Jude 1:25 and Jer. 3:19).



You said, 'This is the Holy Spirit which Jesus promised, as quoted in John ch. 14 v. 26:- 'But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said to you.'


Here you are doing it again Brenda, you are quoting a metaphor, without interpreting it.
Tell me, what does that mean ?
If you think that the Lord Jesus Christ is speaking to you plainly, then tell us what that means ?
Everyone can read the Scriptures by themselves, and if you claim to know the Word of God, then tell us what it means ?
And don't have an excuse or ignore it.

Do you think that there is a dialogue among your many gods ?
And tell me, how many gods are in that sentence ?
Is there one god saying that another will send a third god in one of the god's name ?

When will you ever come to your senses Brenda ?

Brenda said...

Paul,
I did not say this:-
'But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said to you.'

Jesus said it, and it means exactly what it says.
I think it is very clear that you have not been born of the Holy Spirit, and because of that we will never agree.

Paul G said...

Brenda, How many persons, gods or identities are in that one sentence of John 14:26 ?

And a metaphor does NOT mean exactly what it says, otherwise we would not need to rightly dividing the word of truth.

Brenda said...

Sorry Paul,
I can not see where Jesus says that what He says here is a 'metaphor'.
If you called all the verses in the Bible that did not line up with what you want it to line up with a 'metaphor', then you would not have a Bible, you would have 'the book of Paul G.'

Betty Draper said...

Beautiful writing, really love the first song. do you have music to the words? so glad I stopped by.

Brenda said...

Hello Betty,
Thank you for your kind comment, it is very nice to meet you. I do not have written music to my songs. The songs and poems just dropped into my head after the Lord encouraged my friend and myself to 'go into the highways and the byways' after repeatedly showing us certain scripture. I could only play about eight chords on the guitar which I had from my son (just teaching myself), but they were all we needed to accompany my songs, and some my friend was given, when we used to sing them in the streets.

Laurie Collett said...

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.

This shows the plurality (Triune nature) of God (Elohim, Hebrew plural noun).

Mark 1:9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.
10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: 11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Here we see Jesus the Son being baptized, the Holy Spirit descending on Him, and the Father confirming that Jesus is His Son. All Three are One, each equally God and united in will.

God bless you, Brenda.

Brenda said...

Hi Laurie,
that is right, we are all one with the Lord in Spirit. God is Spirit, Jesus had the Spirit of God in Him, and when we are in Jesus we too have God (Who is Spirit) in us. We are all brothers and sisters in Christ, the first of many brethren, when we believe and are born again of the Spirit.
I absolutely love how the scriptures go together to confirm this. That Word has a power in it to bring into existence that which does not exist, and even when we are weak in faith we can pray for God to increase our faith. He truly does love us.
God bless you too Laurie.

Paul G said...

Hi Laurie,
Do you think that the god's created man in their image ?
Tell me, exactly in which one of the god's image did they created man ?
How many images do the gods have ?

Mark 1:9, at Jesus baptism, how many gods were there ?
Jesus in the water, is he the mighty God ? and the Father, is he the ALMIGHTY God ? What about the Spirit, is he the super almighty God ?
Or perhaps, are all three of them them one mega God ?

How can THREE entities be ONE entity ?
Laurie, I think that you have to rethink your doctrine.

Paul G said...

I think that as Christians we ought to have God given wisdom in our doctrines, or at least an honest opinion in what is right or wrong.
It amazes me that most Christian will NOT side with the truth, but rather they side with a blatant lie.
That LIE is not even hidden, but is open for everyone to see.

It is just like in the days of Israel, when ALL Israel played the harlot against the Lord, they made their own gods and worshiped them.
Christianity today is exactly the same, the WILL NOT repent of their wicked ways and for that reason the Lord will bring the rod of correction against them.
The judgement starts first with the house of the Lord (Israel) and what do you think will happen with those who are called by His Name ?

Brenda said...

Yes Paul,
the apostle Peter says in 1 Peter ch. 4 vs. 17 and 18:-

'For the time is come that judgment must begin at the 'house of God': and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?'

We are the 'house of God' because none are 'righteous' except in Christ Jesus, God's spiritual 'Israel'. (Galatians ch. 6 v. 16)
Judgement starts with us and that is why we must each work out our own salvation with 'fear and trembling' as it says in Philippians ch. 2 vs. 11 - 13:-
'and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Therefore, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not only in my presence, but now even more in my absence, continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God who works in you to will and to act on behalf of His good pleasure.…'

God has made Jesus our Lord Paul, and we must each pick up our daily manna as we are spoken to by that Word highlighted to us in our separate walks as individuals in Christ.
If a person tries to teach others with their own doctrine, which does not line up with scripture, then that person will become a spiritual enemy to the house of God.
We can encourage one another in the Lord but there is only One teacher and that is the Holy Spirit, which Jesus said the Father would send. We are taught by that Spirit which must be in a person who is a new creation, born again of it.


Paul G said...

Yes Brenda, that is scary, and for that reason we ought listen what the Lord Jesus Christ is saying. And blessed are those who have ears to hear and heed to His call.

God did not make Jesus your Lord Brenda, otherwise your tongue would confess the Lord Jesus Christ to the glory of God the Father.
But as it is, you believe in another god and you call him Father (Yahweh).

Brenda said...

I believe in Jesus(the first of many brethren) Paul, the One Whom God (Whom Jesus calls the Father Who is greater than Him, Who gave Him all authority), and ALL that He says regarding His Father.

Paul G said...

Yes Brenda, you believe in a 'Jesus' who is NOT Lord.

Jesus does not have a Father, just as the Scriptures say, and there is NO greater one than the Lord Jesus Christ. How can anyone be greater than the creator Himself Jesus Christ ?

Your Jesus is a confusion between a mighty God and a man, the same confusion as of the trinitarians.
Please read again the comment of Laurie.
Most churches believe and teach that so obviously blatant lie, and then with brazen faces they say, all those THREE are, or equal ONE.
What amazes me is, that no one is able to repent, perhaps only if the Lord grants them to repent.

Brenda, I sense, or I assume that you can see that, but you don't know how to deal with that because of certain Scripture passages.
I suggest that you go into your prayer closet, close the door behind you, call upon the Name Jesus and ask Him to make Himself known to you. Do not go before the Lord with a preconceived idea, just ask Him and trust in the Lord Jesus with all your heart and He will make Himself known to you.

Brenda said...

Jesus, the One Whom God the Father has made my beautiful Lord is the Word of God Paul. God gave Him all authority.
John 1 vs. 13-15 explain who we are when we are born again (the old 'man' being put to death), and Who Jesus is, very clearly:-

'children born not of blood, nor will of the flesh, nor will of man, but born of God. The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the ONE AND ONLY SON FROM THE FATHER, full of grace and truth. John testified concerning Him. He cried out, saying, 'This is He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me, because He was before me.’'

Makes perfect sense Paul.

As far as reading the comment of any individual on my blog posts, I allow anyone to give their views, and I also answer those comments. You must read my answers to all comments to know what my views on each comment is. I might not put my answers always in the way that fits someone else's comment, but I endeavour to keep it scriptural.

I do not like rudeness or causing offence, and I think the best way of having a discussion is simply to share your views, which to me from the Bible have to be primarily scriptural. I do not use the word 'trinity' because I do not see it anywhere in the scriptures. At the same time I do not call something a metaphor when it quite clearly does not go together with other scriptures.
I love interaction with other brothers and sisters and, just like in the physical, we are all going from being infants in Christ to maturity, and none is perfect.

No Doubt said...

Hi Paul,

Let's look at the following verse, again.

'For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.'


God is God. God is one. There is no other. I think that we agree on this point.

Y'shua,Jesus, is a separate entity, a human, that has the fullness of God dwelling within him. He is not the Father. This is what the text says above.

Y'shua, Jesus, was used and continues to used, as a mediator and the human required sacrifice, to reconcile all humanity to God. This and the previous point is supported many other places, but my favorite is 1 Tim 2.

"For there is One God, and One Mediator, between God and Humanity, Y'shua, the Messiah, himself, being human, who gave himself as a ransom, on behalf of us all, thus providing testimony to God's purpose, at just the right time."

God is God, There is no other.

Y'shua, Jesus, is the gift of God. You are guilty of elevating the Gift above God, himself.

Y'shua, Jesus, anticipated this and forewarned us not to do exactly what you are doing, when he reminded Nicodemus, about the last time God provided salvation to the Israelites, in the desert. John 3:14-15.

Do be an Israelite. Be a True Believer.

No Doubt said...

I meant to say, Don't be an Israelite, Be a True Believer!

Paul G said...

Brenda, you said,
"The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the ONE AND ONLY SON FROM THE FATHER, full of grace and truth. John testified concerning Him. He cried out, saying, 'This is He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me, because He was before me.'
That makes perfect sense to me Paul"

Yes I wish that it would make perfect sense to you Brenda.
You think that some kind of a Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us.
You think that this cosmic unknowable god, whom you call Father, by the name of Yahweh sent some kind of a Son, who supposedly be a mighty God (but not the Almighty God) to make his dwelling among us.

You don't believe that it is GOD, yes, the only God Jesus Christ who became flesh and made His dwelling among us (1 Tim. 3:16).
And it has escaped you that John's testimony is the same as I have.

You don't need to be called a trinitarian to be a polytheist. A polytheist is a person who believes in more than ONE God just like the trinitarians.
If you believe in a mighty God and in an Almighty God, then you are a polytheist, regardless what you call yourself.
If you believe that Yahweh is God and Jesus Christ is NOT the only true God (1 John 5:2), then you have been deceived and you need to repent just like John the baptist said.
And YES ! Also show the fruit of your repentance.

If you do not believe my testimony, then believe the testimony of John the baptist, and his language was not as nice as mine.

Paul G said...

Hi Keith, you said, 'God is God. God is one. There is no other. I think that we agree on this point.'

No Keith, we don't agree. Tell me, which God is God ? And which God is one?

You said, 'Y'shua,Jesus, is a separate entity, a human, that has the fullness of God dwelling within him. He is not the Father. This is what the text says above.'

Absolutely NO ! You are saying exactly the same as the unbelieving Jews, they said to the Lord Jesus, that He is a man claiming to be God (John 10:30 – 33) and therefore they wanted to stone Him.

Even the Jews understood that there is 'NO ONE ELSE BESIDES GOD' (John 12:32), but you are saying that Jesus is a separate entity, just the same ALL deceived trinitarians.
Jesus and the Father are ONE entity and NOT TWO entities as you have said, just read John 10:30+ again.

You said, "Y'shua, Jesus, was used and continues to used, as a mediator and the human required sacrifice, to reconcile all humanity to God. This and the previous point is supported many other places, but my favorite is 1 Tim 2.
"For there is One God, and One Mediator, between God and Humanity, Y'shua, the Messiah, himself, being human, who gave himself as a ransom, on behalf of us all, thus providing testimony to God's purpose, at just the right time."

Well my friend, Jesus is only the mediator between those who do not know God, the unbelievers, that is you !
But to me the Lord Jesus Christ is NO mediator. The Lord Jesus Christ is my LORD and my GOD, just as He is to Thomas (John 20:28) and certainly we do not need a mediator.
There is NO mediator between a father and a son, and the Lord Jesus Christ is my Father who is in heaven.
And for that reason the Lord Jesus said, 'that if you do not know that I Am He, you will die in your sins (John 8:24). Do you want me to translate that into English ?

You see my friend, you need to repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved, believe NOT and you shall be damned.
This is the word of the Lord and not of Paul G.

Brenda said...

We have to believe EVERY word that comes out of the mouth of God, which is spoken to us through the Word made flesh, Jesus, Whom God has made our Lord - the One mediator between man and God:-

'For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,' (1 Timothy ch. 2 v. 5)

I love the scripture 1John 5, which says:-

'Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him.'

The word 'Christ' comes from the Greek word 'Christos', meaning 'anointed one' or 'chosen one.'

I thank God for Jesus, the anointed and chosen One of God to be my Lord and the mediator between not just me, but the whole world, and God the Father.
Hallelujah, praise His lovely name!

Sateigdra L Knowles said...

Wow,this conversation has been going on for a month and I'm just seeing it. I may have to taje some time to read through the comments to see what all this dialogue is about. I read the firsr few comments so far. Brenda it's great to see you earnestly contending for the faith, and out of just the few comments I read so far, it is great to see you rightly divide the word, Laurie too.

Brenda said...

It is always the words that my father spoke to me as a child Sateigdra, 'Let's see what the Lord says' that cause me to continue conversations. I believe absolutely that the Bible is a vocabulary that God uses to speak to each individual as they work out their salvation, not just a book. I also believe it is used to speak to us daily and cause us to do what God has called us each to do in the Lord. The warfare is spiritual, and we all need the Written Word, and prayer, to guide us as we join together as many parts in One body against the spiritual enemy that would try to rob us of the truth, and victory in Christ.